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LuvMaui
08-05-2008, 10:20 AM
I have heard a lot of male bashing lately. It feels so WRONG when I hear it :(

Sure there are men who are JERK'S, but there are just as many women who are JERK'S. PERSONALLY I LOVE & APPRECIATE MEN!!! :D I would hate to be in a world without them here to love and protect me.

I'm 46 years old and most of the support and encouragement in my career has come from men.

I love it when a male makes me feel like a female. Gentlemen are the best!!! I believe that God made us different but also to perfectly compliment each other. It can be a beautiful balance :)

What I'm trying to say is if a man has done bad things, be angry at the man, not his entire sex.

Marian Paroo
08-05-2008, 10:33 AM
I have heard a lot of male bashing lately. It feels so WRONG when I hear it :(

Sure there are men who are JERK'S, but there are just as many women who are JERK'S. PERSONALLY I LOVE & APPRECIATE MEN!!! :D I would hate to be in a world without them here to love and protect me.

I'm 46 years old and most of the support and encouragement in my career has come from men.

I love it when a male makes me feel like a female. Gentlemen are the best!!! I believe that God made us different but also to perfectly compliment each other. It can be a beautiful balance :)

What I'm trying to say is if a man has done bad things, be angry at the man, not his entire sex.


I'm gonna try to find that Mae West quote where she says that men always want to protect her, but they don't say from what...

I like gentlemen too. Pushing in the chair, holding my coat.

Dare I say the most gentlemanly gentlemen I know are gay...

Sib2of11
08-05-2008, 10:51 AM
I like gentlemen too. Pushing in the chair, holding my coat.

Dare I say the most gentlemanly gentlemen I know are gay...



I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying that gay men are gentlemen and hetrosexual men aren't? I don't think sexual orientation has anything to do with whether or not a man is a gentleman. I do think it has a lot to do with the way he was brought up, though.

Marian Paroo
08-05-2008, 12:36 PM
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying that gay men are gentlemen and hetrosexual men aren't? I don't think sexual orientation has anything to do with whether or not a man is a gentleman. I do think it has a lot to do with the way he was brought up, though.


No, of course not. They just generally get extra credit points in gentlemanship.

Especially in the macho Middle East.

That being said, most of the crass (using that in lieu of word that I don't like and wouldn't pass muster here anyway) multi-much forwarded emails I get whining and making bad jokes about men come from women... who are involved with them!

Sending those male bashing emails just isn't my cup of tea -- I don't need to bash men to be a happy,satisfied and proud woman.

celtictigeress
08-05-2008, 01:22 PM
Yes, I bash men. Not all the time, but when I think they deserve it, which is, unfortunately, often. I'll tell you why.

I was molested as a little girl by a neighbor and raped when I was 30 by someone who I thought was a friend. That goes a long way to coloring a woman's opinion of men, and it certainly did mine. To top it all off, I told my father what his friend did to me when I was 10 and he told me not to bring it up again. In other words, my father -- the only man in my life at the time -- chose a child moslestor over his own daughter. That pretty well sealed the deal for me when it comes to thinking the best of men. When the rat gets the shock every time she touches the lever in the little box, before long she stays away from the lever because she knows it's going to hurt her if she gets near it. I pretty much stay away from the lever now, except for my husband and my gay friends.

I don't hate all men. I love my husband fiercely, but then he's the most "unmanlike" man I've ever met, and the first man I was ever involved with who wanted a woman partner to be his equal and wouldn't settle for anything less. That's why I love him so much. He gives me the respect that almost every other man I have let into my life never did. It was very hard to trust him not to hurt me. Sometimes it still is, even though he's never given me reason to mistrust him. That's my burden and I don't carry it easily. It's also hard to let him protect me when I'm so used to protecting myself. Cocoons are harder than they look.

On a woman's board there's bound to be an element of man-bashing when women let their hair down and talk honestly with each other. I admit that I engage in a lot of it, because it colors my perceptions of so many issues. Even so, it isn't anywhere near as vicious and truly scary as the misogyny out there.

I would love to be able to think that most men are great guys who can be trusted but I can't. God bless you if you can. You've had better experiences with them than I have.

Peace to us all.

Marian Paroo
08-05-2008, 02:04 PM
CT --

Hugs.

I'm hitting the sack -- it's 23:00 -- I hope you read my PM and are considering it.

-- Marian

LuvMaui
08-05-2008, 02:10 PM
Celtictigeress, Sorry for what you have been through :hug:

100792
08-05-2008, 05:31 PM
I work for a company that is primarly men. Currently we have 126 employees and 121 of them are men. 95% of them are the BEST.

They are considerate to the women and are always willing to help. I just recently was in a firstaid/CPR class with 10 of the guys and they were considerate to the situation and made sure during the 'practice' time everything was ok.

My husband was in the service for 20+ years (infantry) and it was all men. They were the best toward the spouses, S/O.

vgtigger
08-05-2008, 05:35 PM
I am very fond of men.. ;-), Being single I can attest to the fact there are some things you just need a man around for..besides the bedroom..hee hee.. how about lifting heavy air conditioner into a window that is located above your head on a stairwell... they are good for many things.

Actually I love men being men, I would love hanging in the kitchen cooking while a room full of football fools are shouting Foul.... LOL...

unfortunately I've had my share of horrible men in my life, but I don't hold that against men in general and don't believe in male bashing... I find women much more difficult to get along with. ;-)

celtictigeress
08-05-2008, 06:07 PM
Thanks for the kind words, Marian and LuvMaui. And I will check that site out, Marian. ;)

jcme
08-06-2008, 08:01 PM
celtictigeress,

Sorry for what you have gone through. :grouphug:

Take care

jcme
08-06-2008, 08:10 PM
I don't bash men, I bash idiots :D It all depends on what the person has done and isn't usually gender specific.

In my experience the stereotypical gentleman that hold your coat, pushes your chair in and opens and closes the car doors is becoming obsolete :( Even though I'm very independent and don't expect anyone to do that kind of stuff for me, when I encounter a guy who does it, it is a nice feeling. :)

Take care

Marian Paroo
08-07-2008, 03:59 AM
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/kissmekate/ihatemen.htm


Saw a great production of that a couple of years back in London!

Sib2of11
08-07-2008, 05:11 AM
It's been my experience that most human beings are caring and decent; however, there will always be men who are not gentlemen just as there will always be women who are not ladies.

jcme
08-07-2008, 05:35 AM
It's been my experience that most human beings are caring and decent; however, there will always be men who are not gentlemen just as there will always be women who are not ladies.

Very well put.

Take care

Duchie
08-13-2008, 09:15 PM
I only like two kinds of men, domestic and imported.
I adore men, all of them. The are so easily manipulated. That is not saying I do that to my DH, I don't.
I have a similar background to celtictigeress but I have never let it color my view of men in general. I decided to take control and boy have I. Can we say OCD?
We each deal with things that happen to us in our own ways and that's not saying one is right or wrong, I'm just saying that is how it is. I do still adore men. I think they can be funny, kind, generous but some can be complete jack***es. It's how they are raised and sorry to say the generation coming up is not looking too good.
:)